Heads up, episode 64 of James and Ashley Stay at Their Respective Homes in Separate Cities is full of spoilers for Denizen – but this post isn’t.

If you haven’t read Denizen yet (where have you been?), you can still enjoy reading about our special double-guest episode, and then get even more excited to go and read Denizen so you can listen without spoiler concerns.

Double guests? That’s right, we finally got to speak to Hayley Scrivenor, plus we welcomed back our only repeat guest, author Jacinta Dietrich!

Hayley Scrivenor is the author of the number one Australian bestseller Dirt Town, also out now in the US and UK. She is a former Director of Wollongong Writers Festival. An earlier version of x was shortlisted for the Penguin Literary Prize and won the Kill Your Darlings Unpublished Manuscript Award. Hayley lives on Dharawal country, on the east coast of Australia, and has a PhD in Creative Writing.

Jacinta Dietrich is a writer and editor who holds a Master of Creative Writing from the University of Melbourne. Her first book, This Is Us Now, was published in 2021 by Grattan Street Press. We first spoke to Jacinta back in episode 45.

We jump in immediately by talking about that ending then discuss the ethics of writing violence, one-star reviews, and, of course, the great lasagna-with-a-side-of-peas debate.

Books and authors discussed in this episode
– Robert Gott; 
– This Is Us Now by Jacinta Dietrich (from ep 45); 
– Dirt Town by Hayley Scrivenor; 
– Petronella McGovern (from ep 12);
– Abducted in Plain Sight (Netflix), directed by Skye Borgman;
– Halibut on the Moon by David Vann (from ep 23); 
– There’s No Such Thing as an Easy Job by Kikuko Tsumura;  
– Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov; 
– Karl Ove Knausgård (of course);
– My Lovely Wife in the Psych Ward by Mark Lukach;
– The Keepers by Al Campbell;
– Dark Deeds Down Under, edited by Craig Sisterson;
– Reacher Said Nothing: The Making of Make Me by Andy Martin;
– Dancing Barefoot by Alice Boyle;
– Earthlings by Sayaka Murata;
– The Whispering by Veronica Lando

Listen to this episode of James and Ashley Stay at Home here, or on Apple podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or your favourite podcast app, and find out about past episodes here.